[amsat-bb] Sat Look Down

Scott scott23192 at gmail.com
Sat Sep 24 16:35:41 UTC 2016

Excuse me for jumping in, but to expand on Tom's comment about running 
programs in newer versions of Windows, you can cure a long list of problems 
when it comes to running custom applications (3rd party hobby apps, scripts 
you write yourself, etc.) with a simple adjustment.

In your "Home" folder, create a new folder called "Apps" (or whatever you 
prefer, but no spaces in the name - just to be safe).

For reference, this new folder would be side-by-side with your Documents, 
Pictures, Downloads, Music, & so on.

Then, as you install programs OTHER THAN the big, store-bought applications, 
do NOT use the default folder location that is suggested during the install 
[normally c:\Program Files -or- c:\Program Files (x86)].

Instead, put all of your recreational programs in the new "Apps" folder in 
your home directory where you have full permission to read/write/delete 

Now, the excellent software written by folks in the amateur community and 
any small scripts that you might make yourself can run without running into 
the permission issues that newer versions of Windows have instituted.

Naturally all this comes with the caveat to use extreme caution about what 
you install on your computer!  Please protect yourself by only installing 
software from trustworthy sources, preferably apps that others are already 
using successfully.

I hope this is helpful.

-Scott,  K4KDR
Montpelier, VA  USA


-----Original Message----- 
From: Thomas Doyle
Sent: Saturday, September 24, 2016 12:12 PM
To: Joe
Subject: Re: [amsat-bb] Sat Look Down


Glad everything worked out. When Microsoft tightened up the security on
Windows to allow better access control it did require programs that did
more than basic stuff to run with Administrative rights which had to be set
by an user with administrative rights. It is amazing how many posts you see
on windows developers sites asking how to set the program rights to
Administrative from within the program - it would sort of defeat the
purpose of the whole thing. The only way to eliminate the run as
administrator requirement is to hold an expensive fancy developers license.

I had not looked at my  'SimpleSat Look Down' program in several years. I
have a habit of being more interested in new things and sort of move on
to a new challenge when something is working.

At a very early age my mother noticed my tendency to get bored when things
were working and move on to something new. She told me to never have any
children. "You will get bored with them, move on to something new and they
will starve to death." My web site is a good indication of how wise my
mother was.


73 W9KE Tom Doyle

On Sat, Sep 24, 2016 at 10:42 AM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:

> For everyones info:
> I did do all as described in the help, AND what many here on the list said
> to do, and nothing worked. It kept crashing.
> Till one person suggested running the program as Administrator mode.
> I tried that and it's ran perfectly ever since!  I just LOVE that little
> program!
> Tom did a great Job with it!  I really love the simple second station
> thing where with a single click you can see when there are passes where
> both stations have the bird in view, soooo cool.
> Joe WB9SBD
> Sig
> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
> Idle Tyme
> Idle-Tyme.com
> http://www.idle-tyme.com
> On 9/24/2016 10:36 AM, Thomas Doyle wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I did break with the long ham tradition of not reading manuals or help
>> files and tried adding the file Joe mentioned using the procedure 
>> outlined
>> in my help file. And it worked perfectly.
>> Here is the resultant "WebDataSources.txt" file
>> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt,
>> Celestrak-Amateur.txt
>> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/weather.txt,
>> Celestrak-Weather.txt
>> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/stations.txt,
>> Celestrak-Stations.txt
>> http://celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/tle-new.txt, Celestrak-New.txt
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt,
>> Amsat-nasabare.txt
>> Here is the information you will see if you click on the rarely used
>>   "Help" button in my program :-)
>> =====  *Optional Really Advanced Feature*  ======
>> *--- Manage TLE Data ---*
>> The program distribution comes set up in a way that should handle the
>> needs
>> of most users. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very
>> good understanding of satellite tracking and need more continue reading.
>> The program obtains TLE data two ways. Direct download from the internet
>> is
>> the easiest. Manual entry of TLE data can also be used. The program
>> distribution is set up to download TLE data from the following sites.
>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>> http://www.celestrak.com/NORAD/elements/amateur.txt
>> The program also allows manual entry of TLE data. The TLE data format is
>> the traditional three line format as shown in the sample for AO-10 shown
>> below. The first line contains the satellite name followed by the two
>> lines
>> of TLE data. If the format is not correct - it will not work. To add TLE
>> data first create a text file. Cut and paste the TLE data into the file.
>> Remember the first line is the satellite name followed by the two lines 
>> of
>> TLE data. When the file is ready, change the file extension of the file 
>> to
>> .tle and put it into the 'SimpleSatData/SatData/ManualSatData' folder.
>> You
>> may put as many satellites in a file as you wish and you may have as many
>> files as needed.
>> As expected the TLE data you enter this way is not deleted when a web
>> update is done. This TLE data is also not updated when you do an web
>> update. As a reminder to myself that this is manual data I put ( ) around
>> the satellite name. This may not seem important to you now but it is very
>> helpful.
>> In the 'SimpleSatData/SatData' folder you will find a file
>> 'WebDataSources.txt'. This file controls which web data sources are used
>> by
>> the program. If you are a very advanced computer user and have a very 
>> good
>> understanding of satellite tracking you can modify this file to add
>> additional web data sources. Note that a ' - ' at the start of a line
>> tells
>> the program not use this source. The file name after the comma is the 
>> file
>> name that will be used to store the TLE data downloaded from the site
>> specified in the URL before the comma. The file name after the comma less
>> the file extension is what is used to identify the 'Web Data Source' in
>> the
>> setup function. It is possible to really screw things up if this is not
>> done correctly so if you are not a very advanced computer user or do not
>> thoroughly understand satellite tracking I recommend staying away from
>> this
>> entirely.
>> ===========================================================
>> Be sure to click on the "Web Update" button after updating your
>> WebDataSources.txt file.
>> If you follow the directions and it does not work the problem lies
>> somewhere in your computer not the program.
>> Hope it works out ok for you.
>> 73 W9KE Tom Doyle
>> On Sun, Sep 18, 2016 at 4:51 PM, Joe <nss at mwt.net> wrote:
>> Anyone else here using this program?
>>> I'm having a problem adding in the nasabare
>>> http://www.amsat.org/amsat/ftp/keps/current/nasabare.txt
>>> source.
>>> When I do the program crashes.
>>> Joe WB9SBD
>>> --
>>> Sig
>>> The Original Rolling Ball Clock
>>> Idle Tyme
>>> Idle-Tyme.com
>>> http://www.idle-tyme.com 

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