[amsat-bb] Re: Another Great Tech Tuesday Net

Kevin Elliott kevin at phunc.com
Fri Feb 14 15:55:15 PST 2014

Perhaps that was a legitimate question hiding in there, but I read most of that as cheap shots at Clint. Will you please let it rest? You don’t have to like him, but I’d appreciate some positivity.

Like you, I want to do satellite tracking hardware and not just point HTs at the birds and do manual doppler correction. But, there’s a very, very useful place for the newbie stuff that seems useless to you. Everyone benefits when the hobby grows, and overwhelming new people to the hobby with excessively technical projects can serve to scare them off. When more people join the hobby, more products are made, more competition between hardware manufacturers occurs, and the costs go down for all of us! That alone should be incentive for everyone to bring the newbies in.

So, I’m not suggesting that anyone needs to lighten the technical offerings, or make anything more simple. But, I do think that anyone offering marketable material that attracts newbies, regardless of how simple it may be, should be welcome.

We have to remember that there are people of all skill levels in this world, and not all of them are able to grasp things immediately. Sometimes, adding a lot of complexity isn’t fun for people looking for a little instant gratification. And it’s that fun that powers the interest in the hobby and creates a lifelong connection to it. So let’s avoid bashing anyone who likes “easysats” or anyone who wants to help others with them, OK?


On Feb 14, 2014, at 1:57 PM, Michael <Mat_62 at charter.net> wrote:

> OK then, I have a legitimate satellite question.  Is Fox 2 going to be a linear bird?  See, I have some confusion on this. I could swear I read somewhere that it was yet another flying repeater just like Fox 1 is but then someone here told me I was mistaken.  Since you're here Tony, I thought I'd ask you since I'm pretty sure you can give me a definitive answer.  I mean after all, since we are talking about " Tech"  as in technology, I'd be interested to know if there is going to be any technical challenge to working Fox 2 or if it will just be yet another ones of Clint's Easysats.  Unlike some folks such as Clint, I don't delight in how "easy" it is to work a satellite and actually enjoy a challenge like I had when I first got into this part of the hobby and put my station together using the homebrew SAEBRTrack tracking system I built along with the OR-360 rotators that you told me where to find back then. Thank you btw....  I mean if people enjoy working "easysats" with an HT and a handheld antenna, that's all well and good.  To each their own.  It's just that I'd like a bit more of a challenge than that.  Unfortunately I missed out on A0-40 which I understand took a fair amount of "tech" savvy to conquer. AO-7 and FO-29 were fun mixed with a bit of challenge though and even AO-51 was pretty cool trying to conquer the S band mode.   I'd very much like to start putting my old homebrew antennas and rotators back in the air if I feel like it will result in some challenge and a sense of accomplishment and knowing that I did something that "not just anyone can do" instead of "heck it's just so easy" as Clint likes to point out..... If Fox 2 is a linear bird, I'll even put my money where my mouth is and renew my long dormant  membership in AMSAT because I will feel that they are moving in a direction that I and many others have interest in. If it's just another flying repeater though well..... YAWN....I'm getting sleepy now.
> 73,
> Michael, W4HIJ
> On 2/14/2014 4:04 PM, Anthony Monteiro wrote:
>> Dear Friends,
>> Please use the BB to discuss satellites.
>> Any other communications should take
>> place off of the BB.
>> Thank you!
>> Tony AA2TX
>> ---
>> On 2/14/2014 3:45 PM, Roger Kolakowski wrote:
>>> For all the dissenters...
>>> What have you done to promote AMSAT and how many people outside of nthe
>>> satellite hobby have you affected?
>>> I consider the reports of "missionaries" to be a promotion of ideas on
>>> how to spread the word.
>>> If 60,000 doesn't impress ask one of the "missionary's" how you can link
>>> to their presentation either via RF or internet and find you own 60,000
>>> followers.
>>> Roger
>>> WA1KAT
>>> On 2/14/2014 12:44 PM, Michael wrote:
>>>> Wow a whole 60,000? So how many of the rest of us couldn't hear it? I
>>>> honestly think it's great what you do for the satellite hobby Clint.
>>>> At least for the part of it that likes to user HT's and handheld
>>>> antennas exchanging grid squares on flying repeaters. At the same time
>>>> I get tired of your constant grandiose self promotion. Your E-mail to
>>>> the BB did little more than tout how "great" you are to everybody. It
>>>> also had the unintended consequence ( by you) of someone calling you
>>>> on your BS. Here's an idea, how about keeping on doing what you're
>>>> doing for your segment of interest in the hobby and let the accolades
>>>> fall where they may instead of constantly patting yourself on the
>>>> back. That would be a refreshing change.
>>>> 73,
>>>> Michael, W4HIJ
>>>> On 2/12/2014 9:30 PM, Clint Bradford wrote:
>>>>>>> ... I guess but it's pretty meaningless for
>>>>> those of us in the rest of the country.
>>>>> About 60,000 licensed hams were within earshot in
>>>>> this region - I am not going to ignore such an
>>>>> "open mic" opportunity to "spread the word" on
>>>>> the birds.
>>>>> Clint K6LCS
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