[amsat-bb] Re: so long
johnag9d at gmail.com
Tue Sep 17 19:23:59 PDT 2013
Stefan, I second the comments .
I brace myself every time I go to a hamfest to represent AMSAT. I would
say I spend 75% of my time getting told that we are a bunch of morons and
how the person complaining used to be a member but will never join again
because we don't have a HEO bird. I spend time, politely too, with them
explaining the world has changed in terms of launch cost and ask them if
they have any ideas on how we can raise the money, that usually sends them
on their way.
I came to a great revelation this year looking back on my time as a club
president, secretary and one of the 10% that actually does something other
than complain and came to the conclusion that 75% of the rank and file hams
want to open a box, sit in a chair, plug it in and yak in a microphone and
complain. The other 25% are involved in experimentation, construction,
education and pushing the service forward.
The last time I checked, moaning and complaining to another ham who does
nothing but complain doesn't get anything done. I should think that if
there was anyone reading this mail service that had $10M to spare, they
would have bought the launch by now. But go ahead and keep crying to the
same group, maybe there's a recent lottery winner here.
On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 7:27 PM, Stefan Wagener <wageners at gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Domenico,
> I am not sure if I understand your post:
> "As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL to built a new HEO
> satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all my old duties to cover my
> previous not covered years of membership."
> As a matter of fact we don't need a new HEO, we have one or more accurate
> AMSAT-DL has one. It is called Phase 3E! What we need is $10million+ to fly
> "during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write many technical articles
> for the AMSAT Journal without any money reward."
> Well, many folks volunteer and work hard and no, we actually pay to
> volunteer and help and no, we don't expect to get paid!
> So, how about you help AMSAT-NA, AMSAT-DL and AMSAT-IT in their efforts to
> find a potential source of money to make that satellite fly.
> To quote Clayton (W5PFG) from an earlier post:
> "Some of the loudest whining voices are from the non-voting community.
> I've observed this behavior in civic organizations, technical societies,
> fraternities, etc. Usually these are the same people who gripe about how an
> organization spends its money though the complainer never donates a dime."
> Rest my case,
> Stefan VE4NSA
> On Tue, Sep 17, 2013 at 6:02 PM, i8cvs <domenico.i8cvs at tin.it> wrote:
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "John Becker" <w0jab at big-river.net>
> > To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, September 17, 2013 8:58 PM
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] so long
> > > I have decided to leave the list till something changes with this FM
> > > only satellite attitude only changes. That was the reason for me as
> > > well as other joining AMSAT in the first place.
> > >
> > > Please inform me if anything such as a replacement for AO 40
> > > happens.
> > >
> > > John
> > >
> > Hi John,W0JAB
> > I was AMSAT member numbar 798 since OSCAR-6 but I decided
> > to live my membership after AO40 died because AMSAT changed
> > his policy with only FM satellites.
> > I remember that OSCAR-10,OSCAR13 and AO40 where called
> > "the satellites for all" and I invested a lot of money for equipments
> > and antennas dedicated for HEO satellites for nothing in the near
> > future.
> > In my opinion the satellite operation is not only an activity to collect
> > grids but it is mostly experimentation in the VHF/UHF/SHF and
> > particularly into microwave as it was with AO40 Mode-S/K and
> > it was very nice until lasted.
> > As soon AMSAT-NA will work or cooperate with AMSAT-DL
> > to built a new HEO satellite I will call Martha and I will pay all
> > my old duties to cover my previous not covered years of
> > membership.
> > By the way I am not against AMSAT-NA because I understand
> > the ITAR and during the last 10 years I have cooperate to write
> > many technical articles for the AMSAT Journal without any
> > money reward.
> > If Martha says that the actual AMSAT members are in the order
> > of 3,000. and if Les Rayburn, N1LF claim to be member of
> > AMSAT #38965 it means that in the last 10 years many
> > members abandoned AMSAT because of no future with no
> > HEO satellites and only the FM LEO cubesat for no two
> > ways communications between continents was not a
> > satisfactory task.
> > Many years ago early in 1972 I joined AMSAT because they
> > promised us to communicate worlwide much better than using
> > the HF but things changed and our antennas are becaming
> > rusty over the roof for very small or for nothing........Sorry !
> > 73" de i8CVS Domenico
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