[amsat-bb] Re: [!! SPAM] Re: The Journal and "Progress"

ANTHONY JAPHA tjjapha at earthlink.net
Wed Aug 6 16:59:23 PDT 2008

Hi Bruce,
Good to hear from you.  The news about P3E completion is very good.  If the
Mars connection helps to sell it, that's good strategy.  

What DX have you worked recently?
Tony, N2UN

> [Original Message]
> From: Bruce Robertson <ve9qrp at gmail.com>
> To: <tjjapha at earthlink.net>
> Cc: Amsat-Bb <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Date: 8/6/2008 7:34:48 PM
> Subject: [!! SPAM]  Re: [amsat-bb] The Journal and "Progress"
> On Wed, Aug 6, 2008 at 7:07 PM, ANTHONY JAPHA <tjjapha at earthlink.net>
> > Greetings All,
> > Just received the May/June Journal.  It is extremely disheartening.
> >
> > For the 2nd issue in a row, there's no status report on Eagle (using
the term in the broad sense as W2GPS uses it, to include the possibility of
a rideshare).  In Rick's Apogee View, there are the most vague references
to progress, but the whole piece could have been written long, long ago. 
No conceivable definition of a progress report would include that writeup. 
There is not a single specific citation of real progress.  We can only
assume there has been none.
> >
> > This criticism has nothing to do with the difficulty in identifying an
affordable launch opportunity, the discussion of which has been lengthy
here.  It has to do with getting ready for a launch if and when it appears
possible.  At one level, this is a chicken and egg problem; without a
specific launch opportunity, what is to be built?  But, the way to get out
of a chicken and egg situation is to acquire either a chicken or an egg. 
We have neither.  Without a chicken there'll never be an egg, and vice
> >
> > Let's get a bird basically ready to go, i.e. designed, prototyped,
tested, refined, etc.  Where are we on these steps?  How much more money is
needed to get us there?  Is the prospect of raising that amount of money
good or is it as grim as being able to afford a launch?
> >
> > I continue to think that there is enough talent here to do the real
stuff.  That has been demonstrated many times.  What there is little
evidence of is the capacity to manage the effort in a way that improves the
prospects of pulling the pieces (finance, planning, decision making) 
> >
> > If I am wrong about all this, then please show the evidence.   Just
where are we on the many pieces that will comprise the bird?  When will
they be finished?  How much will it cost?  etc, etc, etc.  I don't buy
"progress" when none is apparent.  Please make it apparent to us.
> >
> > 73,
> > Tony, N2UN
> > LM 183
> Tony and everyone --
> Forgive me if I'm repeating what you know; I don't have the new issue
> of the Journal, I'm just stating what I understand from other sources.
> In particular, the AMSAT-UK symposium two weekends ago had a long
> presentation on P3E. It is supposed to be done by the end of the year.
> Launch costs are prohibitively high, many millions of euros. However,
> AMSAT-DL is presenting P3E and P5A as a package to the German national
> space agency and hopes it might receive funding in that way. P3E would
> be the test-bed for P5A.
> I know you are not asking about this specifically, but I thought at
> the time that it did not get sufficient publicity on the bb, so I'm
> writing it here. I understand the presentations will be published
> online once the video is tidied up. The one on P5A is very
> interesting, as is the one on Delfi N3xt. After the presentation on
> P5A, I started pricing a dish :-)
> 73, Bruce

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