[eagle] Re: 2008 Symposium deadline

Bob McGwier rwmcgwier at gmail.com
Mon Sep 8 07:31:16 PDT 2008

Why do you not think we have already done this?

We have done this and we paid significantly more than $2500 and we got lots
of opinions and no action.

When it became completely clear that we could  not write a technical
assistance agreement with our partners in AMSAT-UK and AMSAT-DL that would
match the letter of ITAR,  we in the leadership gave up rather than walk
down the tougher road of getting specific exemptions for activities such as

We could have and should have done this for the "good of the human race".
Even then, almost surely,  people working in the industry would have their
activities severely curtailed by agreements and restrictions placed on them
by their employers.

There are no alternatives.  This must get settled and legally.


ARRL SDR Working Group Chair
Member: ARRL, AMSAT, AMSAT-DL, TAPR, Packrats,
"Trample the slow ....  Hurdle the dead"

-----Original Message-----
From: eagle-bounces at amsat.org [mailto:eagle-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of
John B. Stephensen
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 7:23 PM
To: Bill Ress; Howard Long
Cc: 'Frank Brickle'; eagle at amsat.org; 'Daniel Schultz'
Subject: [eagle] Re: 2008 Symposium deadline

Since this is central to the operation of AMSAT, why not generate a list of 
questions and allocate $2500 for hiring a lawyer specializing in export law 
to answer them? This is a project that seems to have very high priority so 
it should be funded and a board member appointed to run it.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Bill Ress" <bill at hsmicrowave.com>
To: "Howard Long" <eagle at howardlong.com>
Cc: "'Frank Brickle'" <brickle at pobox.com>; <eagle at amsat.org>; "'Daniel 
Schultz'" <n8fgv at usa.net>
Sent: Sunday, September 07, 2008 15:08 UTC
Subject: [eagle] Re: 2008 Symposium deadline

> Hello Howard, et al,
> I'm trying to get the BOD to focus on getting ITAR understood and to
> resolve a set of guidelines for the technical teams,
> I must agree with your comments about "public domain". In the AMSAT BWI
> meeting, that was the tact determined we should use
> Here's the references in ITAR for everyone to read:
> The stuff is on the web at:
> http://pmddtc.state.gov/official_itar_and_amendments.htm
> _Read 120.10 Technical Data especially (5) and then read 120.11 Public 
> Domain_
> I still believe our comments at BWI concerning putting our work in the
> public domain are valid.
> Then look at _121.1 Category XV_ - Spacecraft Systems and Associated
> Equipment ESPECIALLY the NOTE TO PARAGRAPH (a) and ask yourself - - are
> our satellites intended for use by the armed forces of any foreign
> country? The way I read it, if they aren't, the paragraph doesn't apply
> to us and the rest of the stuff that follows doesn't fit us.
> Now this is not a legal opinion since I'm no ITAR lawyer, but we have to 
> quit running scared regarding ITAR since we know we aren't munitions 
> manufacturers or exporters, so let's focus on the statements that would 
> exclude us.
> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
> Howard Long wrote:
>> Hi Lyle et al,
>>> 2) For the same reasons, ITAR prevents us from making
>>> a presentation at any AMSAT Symposium with any technical
>>> content except perhaps the most general.
>> I am definitely no lawyer, but I thought that there was specific 
>> exemption
>> in the definition of "public domain" in 22 CFR 120.11(6):
>> "Through unlimited distribution at a conference, meeting, seminar,
>> trade show or exhibition, generally accessible to the public in the
>> United States"
>> http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_2002/aprqtr/22cfr120.11.htm
>> Cheers, Howard G6LVB
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