[eagle] Re: CAN-Do-Too! ??????????

Chuck Green greencl at mindspring.com
Tue Jul 17 08:05:35 PDT 2007

Hi Bill,

Yes, they are using the same device.  Both engineering and flight units 
have been delivered to them.  I have heard nothing regarding their use.  
If they have had any issues with them, they have resolved them themselves.

My communications with them have been severely limited due to ITAR 
issues.  I really despise this situation and am looking forward to the 
day that I can resume my normal very good working relations with them.  
It is unfortunate that our government is such an inhibitor of technical 
development and destroyer of international relations.  Oops, I probably 
shouldn't have said that.  It's all your fault for getting me started :)


Bill Tynan wrote:
> Are P3E and P5 also using our CAN-Do widgets? If so, we should be 
> coordinating any change is design with them.
> I would think that they would have the same concerns regarding RF 
> noise as we do.
> 73,
> Bill Tynan, W3XO
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chuck Green" <greencl at mindspring.com>
> To: "Louis McFadin" <w5did at amsat.org>
> Cc: "Dave Black ((Work))" <dblack at mail.arc.nasa.gov>; "Dave Black 
> ((Home))" <dblack1054 at yahoo.com>; "David Smith" <w6te at msn.com>; "AMSAT 
> Eagle" <eagle at amsat.org>; "Samsonoff at Mac. Com" <samsonoff at mac.com>; 
> "Juan.Rivera ((Work))" <Juan.Rivera at gd-ais.com>
> Sent: Monday, July 16, 2007 9:47 PM
> Subject: [eagle] Re: CAN-Do-Too! ??????????
>> Thanks, Lou.
>> I don't know of any reason not to use them either.  Obviously, it needs
>> to meet our mounting configuration requirement so the new mechanical
>> design can meet the objectives I stated earlier.  This means it must
>> mount on the edge of a PCB.  I think the HD15-D has three rows of pins
>> so I'm not sure how this can work, but I haven't looked at the various
>> parts available so maybe this problem has been solved.
>> If we are going to seriously consider using HD connectors I think we
>> need the blessing of AMSAT's VP of Engineering and the EAGLE project
>> coordinator.  This would be true for any change that would be pervasive
>> in the satellite.
>> I am a little disappointed that there have not been any comments
>> regarding the changes I saw as being made with a new design.
>> Additions/changes/questions/etc.  I don't think we should do a new
>> design without this discussion.  Maybe people feel these issues have
>> been well covered in the past.  If so, a simple "looks good to me" would
>> be helpful.
>> And no one has stepped up to say they are well qualified and will design
>> a new power supply.  Without this, I don't see a new design happening,
>> but maybe.
>> And finally, I see that no one has dared touch the subject of parts
>> procurement I raised.
>> Obviously, most of these comments are really meant for the Cc list.
>> Thanks,
>> Chuck
>> Louis McFadin wrote:
>>> Chuck,
>>> Mouser has a very large selection of D-sub connectors including the
>>> high density versions. Most are in stock.
>>> I see no inherent reason for not using them.
>>> Lou McFadin
>>> W5DID
>>> w5did at mac.com <mailto:w5did at mac.com>
>>> On Jul 16, 2007, at 7:19 PM, Chuck Green wrote:
>>>> I have had one experience with the high density D connectors.  They
>>>> were much larger pin count than 9 or 15!  After someone absolutely
>>>> insisted that we use them I did the board lay out.  Turned out that
>>>> they were *totally* unavailable!!!  I did the board layout
>>>> again@#$%&^* using standard Sub-D's.  That was a number of years ago
>>>> so I would hope things have changed.  If someone is absolutely
>>>> confident they can obtain the parts we need then I'm not at all
>>>> opposed to using them (remember, I'm not volunteering to do parts
>>>> procurement for this project; this is a good time to use someone
>>>> that's good at parts procurement).
>>>> While at Goddard for P3D vib test I noticed NASA satellites using
>>>> standard Sub-D's.  That was also a few years ago.  Anyone know of
>>>> High Density Sub-D's being used on other satellites?
>>>> Chuck
>>>> Bdale Garbee wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 2007-07-10 at 09:02 -0700, Chuck Green wrote:
>>>>>> The sub-miniature D connector series has served us well.  If anyone
>>>>>> has *experience* with something they think might be a better
>>>>>> choice, we'd love to hear about it.
>>>>> At the AMSAT annual meeting that was held near Washington, D.C., a
>>>>> couple of years ago (three?), someone approached me after the CAN-Do!
>>>>> talk that Stephen and I gave to ask why we weren't using the
>>>>> higher-density connectors that put 15 pins in the same shell size 
>>>>> as the
>>>>> 9-pin version of the series we have been using... and followed up by
>>>>> sending me what looked like mil/aero-spec samples of such a part 
>>>>> that I
>>>>> probably still have in my basement somewhere.  I'm sorry that I can't
>>>>> recall at all who that person was, but it was someone who claimed 
>>>>> to be
>>>>> using such connectors professionally with good results.
>>>>> At the time, we weren't likely to be redesigning the units any time
>>>>> soon, so I didn't take any action on this suggestion.  If we're 
>>>>> going to
>>>>> revisit the design and think we need more than 9 pins, it might be 
>>>>> worth
>>>>> investigating higher density connectors like that?
>>>>> Bdale
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