[eagle] IMD, Phase Noise, a New Spur, and EMI suggestions

Juan Rivera juan-rivera at sbcglobal.net
Wed Jun 27 21:36:01 PDT 2007



I've started a new log here
<http://www.juanr.com/pages/hobbies/ham_radio/Eagle/IMD+Phase_Noise.htm> .


I've repeated some preliminary phase noise tests using a simulated PAVE PAWS
signal, along with a simulated Ham uplink signal.  In the process of looking
at those signals with the SDR-IQ I discovered another spur directly in the
middle of the IF.  I don't know the exact source but it is generated inside
the receiver, and definitely not from the CAN-Do module.


I've also come to one general conclusion that I would like to bring up for
discussion...  I believe all switching power supplies on Eagle should be
running at frequencies as high as possible - around 1 MHz would be a good
ball park.  That would put most spurs outside the passband of the payloads,
and make EMI filtering much easier.  The 5 kHz CAN-Do switching power supply
needs to be completely redesigned in my opinion.  I believe that if it is
not cleaned up the impact will be devastating, and the full scope will
likely not be known until integration and test when it is too late to do
anything about it.


Having said all that, I also believe that we need to come up with EMI
standards for everything on Eagle.  Specifically we need:


1)    A definition of the noise amplitude and spectral content to be
expected from the Eagle power distribution point

2)    A repeatable way to reproduce that noisy DC source in our labs for

3)    A simple and effective way to test to the spec that we create


I think the way to make this work is to create a noise source that consists
of several representative switching power supplies that are intended to be
flown on Eagle.  The exact makeup of this test fixture would be specified in
the EMI requirements.  Then, all payloads would need to be designed to
operate without impairment while powered by this noisy power source.  The
EMI requirement would also spell out exactly what constituted impairment.
They also need to keep conducted noise leaving the payload down to some
specified level.  More on that in a minute...


Here's a possible layout for a noise source:


The one ohm resistors account for lead resistance and allow the three
switching power supplies to all modulate the power bus, along with whatever
conducted EMI comes back from the devise under test (your payload.)  It
would be easy to crank out three or four of these noise sources for
distribution to groups that need them.  That way everyone would be testing
using the same conducted EMI.




The gold standards for EMI are MIL-STD-461 and -462.  They break EMI into
four categories:


*         CS - Conducted Susceptibility (the 70 cm Receiver suffers from

*         RS - Radiated Susceptibility (the 70 cm Receiver suffers from

*         CE - Conducted Emissions (The CAN-Do Module is guilty of this)

*         RE - Radiated Emissions (The CAN-Do Module is guilty of this)


This noise source would provide a way to test for compliance with our CS
requirement.  RS and RE can be dealt with by shielding.  That leaves CE.
We'd need a way to insure that noise coming out of a payload is within spec.
We'd need another test fixture for this.


I hope this stimulated some discussion.  I'm eager to hear what you all




Juan - WA6HTP

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