[eagle] Re: 70 cm Eagle Receiver - Final Spur Report (at least fortoday...)

Bill Tynan btynan at beecreek.net
Sun Jun 17 14:56:05 PDT 2007

Right On Juan:

Here is where an interface document is a nesessity. That's what I told Jim I would undertake. But, I have been out of the Eagle loop for months and thus didn't know that such issues were now coming up.

An interface document should spell out power, including power quality, not mere pin connections and physical fit data.

I have a lot of catching up to do but will need a lot of help to get started.


Bill Tynan, W3XO
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: Juan Rivera 
  To: 'Bdale Garbee' 
  Cc: 'David Smith' ; 'Dave Black (Work)' ; 'Dave Black (Home)' ; eagle at amsat.org ; 'Samsonoff at Mac. Com' ; 'Juan.Rivera (Work)' 
  Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 12:58 PM
  Subject: [eagle] Re: 70 cm Eagle Receiver - Final Spur Report (at least fortoday...)



  I certainly wouldn't suggest that no one in AMSAT understands power distribution.  I just can't find any detailed requirements.  What I have found was a spreadsheet (click here) that lays out all of Eagle's wiring.  There is no mention of shielding or twisted pairs for the power.  Both are important to reduce radiated noise.


  As a newcomer I am wary of aural tradition and informal meetings as good tools for development of complex systems.  I think everything needs to be written down in unambiguous requirements documents, starting at the top level.  This current exercise with the 70 cm receiver is a good test of the current processes and procedures.


  I've glanced at John's new receiver specifications and I don't see any reference to input power or the EMI environment that the receiver must work in.  How can it be designed or tested if that environment has not been specified as a requirement?  It's not John's fault.  He has nothing to base it on.  That's where the top level requirements would give him something to work with.  Everything needs to start at the top and work down.  Not from the bottom up.










  -----Original Message-----
  From: Bdale Garbee [mailto:bdale at gag.com] 
  Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2007 10:04 AM
  To: juan-rivera at sbcglobal.net
  Cc: eagle at amsat.org; David Smith; Dave Black (Work); Dave Black (Home); Samsonoff at Mac. Com; Juan.Rivera (Work)
  Subject: Re: [eagle] 70 cm Eagle Receiver - Final Spur Report (at least fortoday...)


  On Sun, 2007-06-17 at 08:48 -0700, Juan Rivera wrote:


  > I've completed my testing and analysis of the spurs that appeared in

  > the IF output of the 70 cm Eagle Receiver prototype.  I believe I know

  > the source and the cause of all of them and how they can be eliminated

  > or rendered harmless.


  Nice work.


  Reading your report, two things strike me, neither of which I consider

  myself an expert on in AMSAT or elsewhere, but both of which I'll

  mention to help motivate the review of power system requirements you

  clearly hope comes next/soon.  


  The first is that I think AMSAT does understand most if not all of the

  issues you're warning against regarding DC distributiong wiring.  Some

  care was taken, for example, in planning pinouts of the 15-pin connector

  on the spacecraft bus side of the CAN-Do! widget, and in the proposed

  wiring harness design from the Black Forest meeting.


  The second is that I think more work is going to be required to ensure

  receivers behave reasonably in the presence of supply noise.  For

  various reasons, as others have already alluded, I wouldn't count on the

  Eagle power bus being very quiet.


  Bdale, from Edinburgh








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