[eagle] Re: CAN-Do noise abatement plan and questions

Chuck Green greencl at mindspring.com
Thu Jun 14 14:15:36 PDT 2007

Hi Guys,

This is the first time I have seen something written about radiation 
where I came away believing that the author actually understood what he 
was talking about!

If you want the inside information regarding PICs and radiation, I'd 
suggest contacting Steve Bible.  But keep in mind that he is an employee 
of the company that makes PICs.


Howard Long wrote:
> Hi John
>> OK. The PIC MCU that I'm considering should be safe. It's 
>> rated for 40 years data retention in an automotive 
>> temperature range. Most parts guarantee only 10 year data 
>> retention or say nothing on the data sheet.
> On ESEO, we have avoided PLLs because of the requirement to program them at
> power on, although I have used them often before for programming PLLs on the
> ground: those PIC10F SOT23 packages are really neat! ESEO has a default mode
> of a traditional analog linear transponder. PICs have not faired
> particularly well in radiation tests, and I'd suggest that it may be wise to
> consider both SELs/SEBs as well as total dose. 
> You can shield against TID to a large extent by depending on tantalum as
> previously described, as well as the spacecraft's aluminum structure and
> enclosures, but this will not prevent SEEs from happening. After shielding,
> SEEs that are predominently caused by high energy protons. You may well need
> to consider other mitigation efforts against these high energy inner Van
> Allen (proton) belt effects.
> On designs with PICs, I have implemented over current protection using
> INA200 devices that cut the power for about 30s as soon as a preset current
> is passed. This is an attempt to reduce the chance of an SEB, when a FET
> effectively turns into an SCR clamping VSS and VDD.
> Care should be taken when setting the current trip - not only do you not
> want to power down the device if it genuinely wants extra current, but
> equally TID (total ionising dose) means that over time the FETs will take
> gradually more current anyway.
> Achim Volhardt DH2VA already did some radiation tests on a PIC12F device
> programming an SPI DDS (AD9834) at CERN when the CANDo's were done also. I
> attach his notes. As well as the CREME96 simultations that Achim describes,
> there is also SPENVIS: unlike CREME96, SPENVIS can include both the electron
> and the proton belts in its analyses. I cannot stress enough the effect that
> the orbit has on the amount of ionizing radiation that a spacecraft is
> subjected to! Indeed, the AO-10 IHU's early demise is due to its low
> inclination HEO orbit, spending inordinate amounts of unplanned time within
> the Van Allen belts. By increasing the inclination, significantly reducing
> the time spent in the Van Allen belts during an elliptic HEO orbit, ionising
> radiation can be reduced by orders of magnitude.
> Although there is some science in this, it's a fairly subjective risk
> analysis that guides the tradeoff between the complexity of mitigation
> circuitry against the KISS principal. After all, if the planned propulsion
> fails, you're left in a near equatorial orbit and a big dose of radiation!
> 73, Howard G6LVB

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