[eagle] Re: CAN-Do noise abatement plan and questions

John B. Stephensen kd6ozh at comcast.net
Thu Jun 14 09:50:07 PDT 2007

OK. The PIC MCU that I'm considering should be safe. It's rated for 40 years 
data retention in an automotive temperature range. Most parts guarantee only 
10 year data retention or say nothing on the data sheet.

The PLLs are in J-lead PLCC packages, but they are silicon on sapphire so 
they may not need shielding.



----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Chuck Green" <greencl at mindspring.com>
To: "John B. Stephensen" <kd6ozh at comcast.net>
Cc: "Robert McGwier" <rwmcgwier at gmail.com>; "Bill Ress" 
<bill at hsmicrowave.com>; <eagle at amsat.org>
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 15:55 UTC
Subject: Re: [eagle] Re: CAN-Do noise abatement plan and questions

> John,
> Yes, the CAN-Do! s were radiation tested and did very well.  That was one 
> of the first things done.  It was a special PCB that had some alternate 
> parts on it for us to choose from for the final version.  The test was run 
> without the Tantalum shields.  The Tantalum shields reduce the dose rate 
> so we are very comfortable with the device for the mission.  We probably 
> didn't need to shield everything like we did but it's easier to do that 
> after testing the total device rather than try to figure out what each 
> component can tolerate.  Our police is to shield any device that contains 
> an FET, top and bottom.  I took this into consideration when designing the 
> layout for this and the IHU so there are ICs of similar size on opposite 
> sides of the PCB as much as possible so that the top shield on one 
> provides bottom shielding for the other.  It's not possible to shield the 
> bottom of an SMD IC except to put the shield on the other side of the PCB 
> anyway (J-lead SMDs are an exception to this but we don't use very many of 
> them).  Tantalum does an outstanding job of shielding.  Sometime when I 
> see you, ask me to tell you about the time I forgot I had a piece about 6" 
> square in my brief-case when going through airport security.
> Chuck
> John B. Stephensen wrote:
>> Bob:
>> Were they tested sufficiently for radiation resistance? I'm assuming that 
>> the tantalum was used to add radiation shielding for things like flash 
>> memory on the MCU. Mirek's receiver also uses flash memory to store the 
>> frequency. The PLLs used in the existing 70 cm receiver can be purchased 
>> in a pin-compatible rad-hard version. However, the frequency has to be 
>> stored in flash memory. PIC MCUs hold data for 40 years on earth but 
>> space is a harsher environment.
>> We have the option of buying PLLs (with more pins) that can be hard-wired 
>> to a particular frequency. These PLLs are much more expensive and have 
>> longer lead times as they are space rated.
>> 73,
>> John
>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>> From: "Robert McGwier" <rwmcgwier at gmail.com>
>> To: "Bill Ress" <bill at hsmicrowave.com>
>> Cc: <eagle at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2007 10:46 UTC
>> Subject: [eagle] Re: CAN-Do noise abatement plan and questions
>>> That they were not sufficiently tested by anyone who was to use them to
>>> build flight units.  This consumed tantalum slides, and lots of effort.
>>> Stephen got essentially zero feedback from the engineering test units he
>>> sent.  This noise issue could have easily been found.  They have had the
>>> engineering units for a LONG time.
>>> Bob
>>> Bill Ress wrote:
>>>> Hi Bob,
>>>> Just curious - what were the "objections?"
>>>> Regards...Bill - N6GHz
>>>> Robert McGwier wrote:
>>>>> The Germans demanded their flight modules over the objections of the
>>>>> designers and manufacturers so they are on their own with the
>>>>> consequences.
>>> -- 
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