[amsat-bb] Re: [VHF] Re: Re: VUCC costs

Bob K0NR - email list list at k0nr.com
Tue Jan 25 20:25:23 PST 2011

Nah, that computer thing is never going to catch on :-)

Bob K0NR

On 1/24/2011 7:10 PM, Jack/W6NF wrote:
> Yes, I agree with Tim wholeheartedly.
> Paper cards are nice (I have a few from my Novice days in 1957) but I, like
> many others, cannot afford the expense. I *do* QSL 100% when a card is sent
> to me but LoTW is fine, too. To summarily reject LoTW, to invoke Mr. Spock,
> not logical ;>)
> BTW, I use N1MM logger for all contests and ACLog for everything
> else...painless, easy and I can use the logging program on CW to cover for
> my rotten fist :>)
> 73,
> On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Tim Marek<K7XC at charter.net>  wrote:
>> John and the rest of you LOTW doubters...
>> The costs to use LOTW for VUCC, DXCC, or WAS contact credits IS NOTHING
>> compared to the time, effort and money needed to collect cards the old
>> fashioned way!  At near a buck a card domestically (Over 2$ Internationally)
>> for the stamps to send them and as well as a SASE for their return.... all
>> the waiting.... Lost or stolen mail, People who NEVER reply, followed by
>> dealing with the cards after their collected, the hand sorting and filling
>> in paper forms... what a royal pain and more importantly... a very
>> inneficient way to do things...
>> With the new LOTW system, you simply upload your logs, wait for them to
>> cross confirm with other uploaded logs, spend less than 20 cents per QSO to
>> INSTANTLY use those QSL credits for awards, with little muss or fuss...
>> I really dont see what the problems is.... Its faster, safer, cheaper, and
>> your log data is backed up forever.... Talk about a lasting legacy of your
>> efforts!
>> Compared to the OLD FASHIONED way of handling the laborious chore of
>> QSLing, LOTW is a God send saving me much time, money, and alot of hand
>> writing that I truly hate. (Try living in a rare state and you will
>> understand)
>> As one who has personally activated 57 grids at one time or another (Alot
>> of them RARE), there is now a incentive to sort out and upload all those
>> logs from the past 20 years. Not only will it help others who need those
>> rare grids (CM86, CM95, CM96, CN90, CN91, CN92, DN00, DN10, DN11, DN20,
>> DM07, DM17, DM18, DM19, DM27, DM28, and DM29 just to name a few) but... I
>> can now file for additional 6M VUCC's from several of those grids as they
>> were June Contest efforts from tall mountains with large antennas and KW
>> power where more than 100 Grids was easily accomplished...
>> Think about it... "Nothing Is Free"... the prices they ask are reasonable,
>> and once uploaded who better to back up your logs than those whom you apply
>> to for the awards!
>> Personally, I dont understant why everyone isn't getting setup right now to
>> dump their logs online to (at the very least protect those rare and precious
>> contacts from being lost forever) and collect those contact credits w/o
>> lifting a pen to paper or licking a single stamp...
>> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09nm.... sk
>> PS: I have been pushing LOTW for years to make this happen. Its not
>> perfect, but compared to the old ways, its a VAST IMPROVEMENT!
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Geiger"<aa5jg at fidmail.com>
>> To:<mlolmsted at fuse.net>; "Amsat-Bb at Amsat. Org"<amsat-bb at amsat.org>;
>> "'VHF REFLECTOR'"<vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu>
>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:07 PM
>> Subject: [VHF] Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
>>   I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs,
>>> but given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement
>>> for an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule
>>> doesn't kill VUCC submissions.  I think AMSAT awards will be getting much
>>> more popular. 73s John AA5JG
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From:<mlolmsted at fuse.net>
>>> To:<amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM
>>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
>>>> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I
>>>> did not see what happens with LOTW submisions.
>>>> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award
>>>> insurance as well as equipment insurance.  Just a thought.  :>)
>>>> Merle, AA4QE
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