[amsat-bb] Re: [VHF] Re: Re: VUCC costs

Jack/W6NF vhfplus at gmail.com
Mon Jan 24 18:10:05 PST 2011

Yes, I agree with Tim wholeheartedly.

Paper cards are nice (I have a few from my Novice days in 1957) but I, like
many others, cannot afford the expense. I *do* QSL 100% when a card is sent
to me but LoTW is fine, too. To summarily reject LoTW, to invoke Mr. Spock,
not logical ;>)

BTW, I use N1MM logger for all contests and ACLog for everything
else...painless, easy and I can use the logging program on CW to cover for
my rotten fist :>)


On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 11:36 AM, Tim Marek <K7XC at charter.net> wrote:

> John and the rest of you LOTW doubters...
> The costs to use LOTW for VUCC, DXCC, or WAS contact credits IS NOTHING
> compared to the time, effort and money needed to collect cards the old
> fashioned way!  At near a buck a card domestically (Over 2$ Internationally)
> for the stamps to send them and as well as a SASE for their return.... all
> the waiting.... Lost or stolen mail, People who NEVER reply, followed by
> dealing with the cards after their collected, the hand sorting and filling
> in paper forms... what a royal pain and more importantly... a very
> inneficient way to do things...
> With the new LOTW system, you simply upload your logs, wait for them to
> cross confirm with other uploaded logs, spend less than 20 cents per QSO to
> INSTANTLY use those QSL credits for awards, with little muss or fuss...
> I really dont see what the problems is.... Its faster, safer, cheaper, and
> your log data is backed up forever.... Talk about a lasting legacy of your
> efforts!
> Compared to the OLD FASHIONED way of handling the laborious chore of
> QSLing, LOTW is a God send saving me much time, money, and alot of hand
> writing that I truly hate. (Try living in a rare state and you will
> understand)
> As one who has personally activated 57 grids at one time or another (Alot
> of them RARE), there is now a incentive to sort out and upload all those
> logs from the past 20 years. Not only will it help others who need those
> rare grids (CM86, CM95, CM96, CN90, CN91, CN92, DN00, DN10, DN11, DN20,
> DM07, DM17, DM18, DM19, DM27, DM28, and DM29 just to name a few) but... I
> can now file for additional 6M VUCC's from several of those grids as they
> were June Contest efforts from tall mountains with large antennas and KW
> power where more than 100 Grids was easily accomplished...
> Think about it... "Nothing Is Free"... the prices they ask are reasonable,
> and once uploaded who better to back up your logs than those whom you apply
> to for the awards!
> Personally, I dont understant why everyone isn't getting setup right now to
> dump their logs online to (at the very least protect those rare and precious
> contacts from being lost forever) and collect those contact credits w/o
> lifting a pen to paper or licking a single stamp...
> 73s de Tim - K7XC - DM09nm.... sk
> PS: I have been pushing LOTW for years to make this happen. Its not
> perfect, but compared to the old ways, its a VAST IMPROVEMENT!
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Geiger" <aa5jg at fidmail.com>
> To: <mlolmsted at fuse.net>; "Amsat-Bb at Amsat. Org" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>;
> "'VHF REFLECTOR'" <vhf at w6yx.stanford.edu>
> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 2:07 PM
> Subject: [VHF] Re: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
>  I WAS going to get an endorsement for my satellite and six meter VUCCs,
>> but given that it would cost me around 35 dollars each to get an endorsement
>> for an extra 150 grids, I don't think so. Hope this new insane fee schedule
>> doesn't kill VUCC submissions.  I think AMSAT awards will be getting much
>> more popular. 73s John AA5JG
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: <mlolmsted at fuse.net>
>> To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>> Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 12:25 PM
>> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC costs
>>> Nice explanation of the costs for VUCC in the Jeff Yanko blog. However, I
>>> did not see what happens with LOTW submisions.
>>> If the cost of awards keep going up, maybe the ARRL should offer award
>>> insurance as well as equipment insurance.  Just a thought.  :>)
>>> Merle, AA4QE
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Jack, W6NF
Silver Springs, NV

Paper, LoTW and eQSL

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