[amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections)

Zachary Beougher zack.kd8ksn at hotmail.com
Mon Jan 24 09:10:58 PST 2011

I can deal with the $.20/QSO fee, but what I am wondering now is if they
charge you $.20/QSO if that QSO was in the same grid.  Here is what I mean:

I received a QSL card from K8YSE with the following QSOs on it:

8/22/10 1916z V/U 59 FM AO27 EN57jv (K8YSE Grid)
8/22/10 1947z V/U 59 FM SO50 EN57jv (K8YSE Grid)

Now, I will obviously be sending in this card to get credit for ONE grid -
EN57.  I understand that the rules say $.20/QSO, but are they going to
charge me for both QSOs that are contained on the same QSL card and were
both contacts from the same grid?  I guess the rules are pretty clear -
include $.20/QSO - but it seems like it may be more reasonable to say
$.20/QSL card; or maybe $.20/grid.  I don’t understand why they would charge
you for two QSOs that were from the same grid AND are on the same QSL card.

What it boils down to is if I work (eg.) K8YSE in EN90/EM99 next Saturday,
and lets say I work him 3 times, when I come home and send out QSL cards I
am naturally going to include in the card all the QSOs we had at that
location.  I would then send the card off to him, and when he would go to
get credit for it he would be charged $.60 for that one QSL card - $.20 for
each QSO.  So, because I included all QSOs on that one card, I have now cost
K8YSE an extra $.40.  When you have a few more cards that contain this same
scenario, it begins to add up.

It seems like it would be much easier to just raise the flat fee than charge
per QSO, along with a flat fee.  It takes enough time for the applicant to
sort cards and grids, let alone have to go through and count all QSOs.

Sorry to gripe.  I am not against ARRL raising the fee (to some extent), but
it seems like it could be done in a more efficient manner than charging by

Just my $.20 - literally. ;-)


-----Original Message----- 
From: John Papay
Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 9:53 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: VUCC Costs (re-send with corrections)

The new fee schedule has brought forth a lot of
comments.  Twenty cents a card seems like a lot of
money but consider how much you spent to get that card.

An SASE with a stamp on it plus the stamp for sending
it here in the US costs you $.88.  If you send for a
DX card to countries other than Canada and Mexico, it's
$.98 for the postage and an IRC costs $2.10.  If you are
lucky, you will get a DX card back for $3.08.  If you're
not lucky, you'll send for it again hoping to get a reply.

Then there's the cost of the cards to add in, maybe $.10 each,
and the envelopes, hopefully self seal so the other guy doesn't
have to spend time moistening and sealing it.  Maybe you bought
one of those stamps that say QSO Verified by (Callsign) at $25.
Then there are special airmail envelopes, one slightly smaller
than the other from Plum.  It's starting to add up.

If everyone would use LOTW for satellite qso's, the savings would
be impressive.  No postage, no cards, and just a $.16/card to
get credit for the grid.  But cards are nice to receive; much
more personable and they sometimes have other useful info.

So after you spent all that money to get the card, spending
another $.20 to submit it for VUCC doesn't seem all that bad.

John K8YSE

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