[amsat-bb] Re: Considerate satellite operations behavior.

k6yk k6yk at juno.com
Mon Feb 21 09:47:50 PST 2011

There's nothing AMSAT can do about lids.  Lids are lids and they 
are everywhere on the hambands, not just satellite.  I would suspect
that the ones you're complaining about don't read this list, or talk to
other hams.   We do all this writing, but the people who need to read it

The madness on the birds is minor compared to what it is on HF  at times.

(Not all the time)... 

Doing a demo on a SSB/CW bird would be much nicer.  It's much more 
civilized most of the time. 

John K6YK

On Mon, 21 Feb 2011 14:41:10 +0000 (UTC) wa4hfn at comcast.net writes:
> This is and will be an ongoing problem until the powers to be  at 
> amsat do something about the mess on the FM birds . Tom  you are 
> preaching to the choir here because most of the offenders have no 
> idea that this BBS is here. If the FCC stopped long enough to 
> monitor this madness, they would likely have Amsat shut it down. BUT 
> it is our job to police the ham bands.I guess that might mean we 
> need to write down the bird,call sign ,date ,mode, and time and try 
> to contact the offender and explain to the operator the trouble they 
> are causing and offer them some advice on how to operate on the 
> birds.  Amsat wants users and needs members but this madness has to 
> be corrected. I would not do a satallite demo any where and let 
> people hear the mess that is ever present now and even worse on the 
> weekends. Amsat needs to address this issue and offer a solution 
> before the responsible operators givenup and quite dealing with the 
> birds.
> Thats my 2 cents worth  AGAIN
> WA4HFN Damon EM55 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tom Schuessler" <tjschuessler at verizon.net>
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Sent: Sunday, February 20, 2011 11:29:20 PM
> Subject: [amsat-bb]  Considerate satellite operations behavior.
> Hi all,
> I do not have the dollars yet to upgrade to an all mode radio to be 
> able to
> do SSB/CW operations so FM is my lot for now.  I love early mornings 
> on
> AO-51 and later in the evening SO-50 and SO-67 when available 
> because the
> roar of the crowd is significantly less.  That being said, I like to 
> give
> AO-51 or AO-27 a try once in a while in the afternoons to make a few 
> Qs but
> find myself more often than not put off by the sheer mess found 
> there.  Only
> been doing this for 8 months with 260 QSOs on an irregular schedule 
> so maybe
> I am out of line here, but I will throw out some observations 
> anyway.
> The for me 2210Z 20-Feb, 2011 pass was a typical example of what 
> makes this
> part of the hobby hard to promote.  I know that many of you are
> conscientious operators and do not try stomp on others but there are 
> some
> out there who just don't seem to understand that there is a proper 
> way to do
> this that will maximize the number of QSOs that actually get 
> completed on a
> given pass.
> I don't know how many times I heard someone call another station but 
> when
> that second station answers, somebody else comes right on top and
> obliterates the poor guy with a totally unrelated call.  I have had 
> a
> station call me back only to have his exchange blown out of the 
> water by
> somebody else who is apparently not listening to the fact that 
> several
> seconds  of an exchange has already occurred. 
> I am sure I was the cause of some interference this afternoon 
> attempting to
> jump in after an exchange to get my call out there.  I try however, 
> if it
> appears that I with my 5W handheld and Arrow, are not making it 
> through the
> current pileup, will wait 3 or 4 minutes until the pass has 
> progressed some
> and try it again.  Yes I know it is FM and I should not expect 
> better but
> honestly I know it can be.  Several times I heard a weak voice that 
> sounded
> like a youth trying to get in but nobody paused enough to give the 
> poor kid
> a shot.  I made three Qs that pass but the kid got none and probably 
> walked
> away thinking he had just wasted his time.
>  I will be at a hamfest in a few weeks and plan to do a few 
> demonstrations
> of FM satellite work with my Arrow there and know that many folks 
> will just
> wag their heads and decide to never try at all because of the noise 
> and
> disorganization.
> Another issue I hear is stations calling but not apparently hearing 
> anything
> but they continue to call anyway and cause interference.  A recent 
> SO-50
> pass in the evening had 6 or seven stations calling but only one or 
> two QSOs
> actually took place as nobody seemed to be listening to the right
> frequencies.  I would request that the person who keeps up with the
> Satellite status pages on the AMSAT web site please post the reality 
> the
> SO-50 downlink is really about 5Khz lower than the published 
> 436.795.  If
> that were really the case, than I should always be starting a pass 
> on my
> handeld at 436.805 but if I go there, I hear nothing much and always 
> end the
> pass way down at 436.780 instead of .785.  Since we always recommend 
> that
> new operators look to AMSAT.org for their basic information, it 
> needs to be
> kept current.  If the information is wrong then people have to go 
> through
> the trial and error method to find out the truth.
> Hopefully these remarks will not offend but will serve to spur us 
> all to
> improve the way we do things so others can too have a shot at 
> making
> contacts.
> Tom Schuessler
> 2713 Lake Gardens Drive
> Irving, Texas  75060
> 972-986-7456
> 214-403-1464 (Cell)
> n5hyp at arrl.net
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