[amsat-bb] Re: [Moon-net] Arecibo on Handy

i8cvs domenico.i8cvs at tin.it
Sun Apr 25 14:54:40 PDT 2010

----- Original Message -----
From: "David Olean" <k1whs at metrocast.net>
To: <david.barber at dbelectronics.co.uk>; "'Moon-Net'"
<moon-net at list-serv.davidv.net>; <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Sunday, April 18, 2010 11:06 PM
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [Moon-net] Arecibo on Handy

> I tried the same thing with one of my FO432 11 el beams handheld with a
> bare FT817 this afternoon. This was right after getting home from the VHF
> Conference in Connecticut. I could hear KP4AO very well on JT65 right out
> of the speaker. My XYL heard the tones 25 meters away while she was raking
> leaves in the yard. I handheld the antenna . While at the conference we
> experimented with small yagis and a preamp. KP4AO was pretty good on a 7
> el wood boom yagi, weak on a 3 element yagi, and very weak but audible on
> just a dipole. The kicker was when AF1T produced his di-pickle, which was
> a feedpoint with a small pickle on each side that approximated a full half
> wave on 432. KP4AO was barely detectable on the pickle antenna. Dale, AF1T
> says he wants to get more gain by building a cu-pickle quad! This may be
> the first reception of eme with VBD (Vinegar Based Dipole) technology!
> We actually erected a small eme station for KP4AO that ran off
> emergency power and was situated in the back of the rear parking lot at
> the hotel.
> It attracted much interest and we had great copy on SSB ad CW with the
> KP4AO running an amplifier. They were sort of weak on SSB when running
> just 20 watts. We did manage to work them with the VHF club call, W1RJA.
>  The wx was poor, cold  with rain.
> 73
> Dave K1WHS

Hi Dave, K1WHS

Tank you for your Arecibo EME report.Actually I am looking at the photograph
of you in your shack in Fig-1 published in to THE MOONBOUNCE GROUP
PART 1 by the EIMAC document AS49-10 "Dave Olean, K1WHS and his
operating position. The antenna for 144 MHz moon-bounce work is a
160-element collinear on a  polar-mount.The final amplifier uses a pair of
4CX250B tubes."

Also I am looking at The EIMAC publication AS49-11 IDEAS FOR EME
ANTENNA ELEVATION DRIVERS Fig.4 " K1WHS found this Quasi-Polar
mount in a surplus store.With a little ingenuity an elevation drive system
can be developed around what can be found in junkyards and surplus stores"

Sorry I got not the chance to contact you off the moon in 144 MHz early
between 1977 to 1980 because I was involved in 432 MHz EME but you can
see the photograph of my EME array 16 x 21 element yagi depicted into the

The actual situation in 432 MHz here is very different because early in
1977-1980 the 70 cm band was very clean without the RF pollution even 20 km
away from the city of Naples where I leave.

In 1976 I was able to receive the EME SSB and CW signals transmitted by the
40 meters dish of Menlo Park California WA6LET only using a 4 x 20 element
yagi and a preamplifier just with a BFR-90 bipolar transistor.
Actually I was not able to receive Arecibo KP4AO because in 432.045 MHz
there is a digital spurious digital signal  here with more than 10 dB over
the noise in my receiver. What difference here from the early EME pioneering
days !

I am very happy to know that you are still into the EME trench with great

Actually here near the city of Naples only the satellite operation is
possible and EME is marginally possible going from 1296 MHz and up.

By the way Dave your letter was a very nice opportunity for me to remember
the old EME pioneering days  !

Best 73" de

i8CVS Domenico

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