[amsat-bb] Re: Hopefully - Some ITAR Clarifications.

Bill Ress bill at hsmicrowave.com
Mon Oct 26 15:47:16 PDT 2009

Hi Samudra,

Hey - don't worry about ruffling feathers. The more we discuss it, the 
better understood ITAR will be.

Regards...Bill - N6GHz

Samudra Haque wrote:
> On Mon, Oct 26, 2009 at 5:24 PM, Bill Ress <bill at hsmicrowave.com> wrote:
>> But ALL US citizens and foreign permanent residents must be very careful
>> about the more sinister part of ITAR called DEEMED EXPORTS. That's where you
>> discuss certain ITAR controlled satellite hardware or technology issues with
>> a foreign national, with which you do not not have a State Department
>> technical exchange agreement, whether this foreign national is in this
>> country or you contact them by phone, internet or other forms of
>> communication. So while you can work on an AMSAT-NA satellite project that
>> has aspects controlled by ITAR, because you are a legal permanent resident,
>> you can't email your parents, if they are foreign nationals, to discuss
>> those ITAR restricted subjects, whether they are in the US or a foreign
>> country. If you do, it is "deemed to be exported" without ITAR approval and
>> serious penalties can result.
> Yes, I usually take care to divide my correspondence amongst the
> particular groups I am working with, and this is also the basis in
> which I recently proposed moving to (a) moderated forum (such as
> phpBB) or (b) sub-dividing the amsat-bb list into amsat-engineering
> (ITAR restricted) and amsat-user (open to all) lists. If moderation is
> not possible, practical or simply open to all is the order of the day,
> at least we can move the ITAR stuff (development centric stuff) to a
> closed list format and ensure what is said and done is always in
> compliance (i.e., track of who say what and documents are marked
> restricted for circulation) etc.
> The AMSAT-BB is the real funny way of becoming ITAR compliant (while
> we are under ITAR, lets not forget we have responsibilities) so, until
> the day that ITAR is not applicable to us, AMSAT-BB should be
> restricted to open questions, user questions etc. no blanket mail
> concerning tech details from the US side. However, for the specific
> engineering stuff I suggest that whoever administers the list should
> consider a security protocol and a secure file area for this
> compliance issue, hopefully not on the same machine as amsat-bb to
> avoid any chance of overlap.
> Sorry if I ruffle a few feathers here, this an important issue for me too !
> Samudra, N3RDX

More information about the AMSAT-BB mailing list