[amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER Predictor)
ve4yz at mts.net
Tue Oct 20 13:36:34 PDT 2009
http://ibcnu.us/ APRS on the iPhone
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
> [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Steve Daniels
> Sent: October 20, 2009 2:59 PM
> To: bruninga at usna.edu
> Cc: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite PAPER
> Hi Bob,
> I think the following site does pretty much what you are
> asking http://www.heavens-above.com/
> If you register there and input your location one of the
> options is to display a list of Amateur Satellites for a 24
> hour period. It does list all passes and not just the best.
> You can use the next button to select the following days. The
> site developer Chris Peat is very helpful, I am sure he could
> tweak the page to better suite our needs
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Robert Bruninga [mailto:bruninga at usna.edu]
> Sent: 20 October 2009 18:06
> To: bruninga at usna.edu; 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: RE: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite
> PAPER Predictor)
> Actually, There is another similar WEB page project That does
> the same thing for ALL mobile operators, Not just those with
> APRS displays. It is simpler And only has a single TEXT output:
> Please see the idea on this web page:
> PROJECT OBJECTIVE: Develop a web page that any amateur radio
> operator can go to that will print out this very simple PAPER
> tracking device. It is just a piece of paper with 5 columns
> for each of 5 days, and on each of those five days, the TIME
> of the best overhead pass for that users local area (morning
> and evening). For ECHO (AO51) this simple piece of paper
> with 10 times on it can be used for SHOWING the pass times of
> ALL morning and evening passes for the next 2 or 3 months!
> You don't need no stinkin computer to always know when AO51
> is overhead while you are mobile! Just look at the TIME on
> the paper for today's date. (ECHO's pass times repeat every 5
> days)... Each other satellite has similar REPEATABILITY.
> Just pring one of these slips of papwer for your favorite
> satellite, and you will never need to do a prediciton again,
> yet, will always hve what you need in the car to predict each
> day's pass times.
> Bob, WB4APR
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org
> > [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On Behalf Of Robert
> > Sent: Tuesday, October 20, 2009 12:56 PM
> > To: 'Steve Daniels'; amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: volunteering (Mobile Satellite
> > > I would like to volunteer to help out in whatever
> capacity I can. I
> > > run my own web server built by myself and a few websites.
> > Seeing your message, caused me to stop and think, what is the next
> > thing I think might be valuable to help the general
> > radio operators to better operate the satellites? Again,
> this might
> > not be at all what you are interested in, but let me
> > a go at defining a nice project for someone in case this
> fits anyone's
> > talents.
> > PROBLEM: To play satellites, you need to have a tracking
> program and
> > to WATCH it all the time or do PLANNING to know
> > to go play satellites. Actually, this is so... Past decade.
> > OBJECTIVE: What we need is a "service" that continuously
> > SAT-IN-VIEW information to everyone in the field right there
> > their radio front panel, whenever any AMSAT is in view.
> This way, you
> > can be mobile, or hiking, or anywhere on the planet, and
> right their
> > even without ASKING, the information will be PUSHED to you.
> > SOLUTION: Actually, this capability has existed since about
> > 1997 on the APRS channel, but it only works where a LOCAL
> > runs either APRSdata or DIGI_NED in the local
> > and maintains it. In this case, mobiles, or anyone monitoring the
> > national APRS channel will receive this INSTANT
> > not only showing any SAT in view, but also its AZIMUTH,
> ELEVATION and
> > FREQUENCY of both the uplink and downlink AND DOPPLER!
> > You can see examples of this system on
> > http://www.aprs.org/localinfo.html . Move your slider about
> > down the page and look for the paragraph LOCAL SATELLITE
> > This way you don't need any PC, or anything. But if you are mobile
> > and if a satellite comes above the horizon in your
> > and you monitor APRS on your APRS mobile radio, then you will
> > able to work the satellite (also mobile, since we only output the
> > satellites that are easy to work from a mobile)... The
> > on the satellite is updated once each minute when it is above the
> > horizon.
> > Also, once each TEN minutes a SCHEDULE of any satellites
> > up in the next 80 minutes is transmitted to the DX LIST inside your
> > radio, so you can also check for any future passes.
> > PROJECT: Rather than having to have 1000 volunteers all over the
> > world, one in the footprint of every APRS local area have
> > operate and maintain one of these programs (which is why
> most people
> > never see these alerts), it would be nice if there was just ONE
> > central server that fed this data everywhere. Then only one person
> > would have to update the server when new satellites were
> launched and
> > once every week or so to download new TLE element sets.
> > ISSUES: In one sense this would be a great step forward, in
> > centralizing the generation of this data. But the problem
> is, that it
> > still will not go from the APRS-internet stream back
> > local RF in each local area, unless a local Igate operator
> > the "server" to his gate-to-RF list. But at least that is
> > simpler than having to maintain a program.
> > Local AMSAT mobiles who want this feed, just ask their local Igate
> > operator to add the server, and from then on, whenever mobile, they
> > will see these alerts.
> > RESULT: Every mobile everywhere that is in view of a
> > even without any prior planning, will be alerted to a
> > in view, its direction and elevation, its frequency and its
> > right there on the front panel of his APRS radio.
> > See the web page for what these displays look like on an APRS
> > radio:
> > Bob, WB4APR
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