[amsat-bb] Re: AMSAT, ITAR, More AMSAT-NA Volunteers & Such . . .
Alan P. Biddle
APBIDDLE at UNITED.NET
Mon Nov 16 10:30:03 PST 2009
A good post. We are indeed adapting to the Brave New World of ITAR, and we
are not alone in that. At a recent SmallSat meeting I attended, there was
even a tutorial for companies large and small, large being the size of
Boeing. It was about how to work with and around ITAR if you are involved
with the Operationally Responsive Space initiative. Doable it is, but easy
it isn't. Even at the university level, the consequences of not doing it
right can be considerable. An emeritus professor associated with a major
state university in Tennessee was just sentenced to several months in jail
for not following the rules with his consulting company and personnel.
While some of us feel like pounding our heads against the wall in
frustration, few if any are crying in their beer about ITAR at the level
where things actually get done. However, it has taken a longer time than
any would have wished to determine exactly what paths are going to be open.
Some past paths are definitely(?) closed, and others are being opened.
Still, all of us are going to need to understand how those paths can be
worked efficiently and productively. The IBM and SUNY-Binghamton are just
the beginning of that process.
From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Alex, N3SQ
Sent: 16 November, 2009 11:35
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] AMSAT, ITAR, More AMSAT-NA Volunteers & Such . . .
Ladies & Gentlemen,
Here's the main thing to think about ITAR. ITAR regulates OUTFLOW of
information, it doesn't care about INFLOW of information. If you build
or design it by a non-US Person (Citizen or Legal Permanent Resident)
and you bring it INTO the US, ITAR does not care. So AMSAT-NA can use
designs from P3E, but cannot design parts of P3E.
So the logical thing to do is have all "major" future AMSAT spacecraft
be AMSAT-NA managed spacecraft with design elements (camera systems,
experiments, etc.) contributed by other AMSAT organizations. The only
main technical interaction between the AMSATs would be via a standard,
open-sourced, well-published-in-technical-journals interface
specification. Money could be contributed from other AMSATs to fund
launch & development costs.
As for the mantra of "no one being able to develop the equipment in the
US" . . . The volunteer base is not capped, just expand the size of the
volunteer base and organize it better. None of the experienced engineers
should be directly building hardware, we should all be supervising teams
of engineering students who actually build the equipment. There are over
250 University Engineering programs in the US. Each of those programs
have at least 50 students in each graduating class. Let's say that we
can get 15% of the students interested in working on a satellite
project (my personal observations are more like 75% of the students
Let's do the Math:
Worse Case: 250 Schools x 50 students per graduating class x 15% = 1875
POTENTIALLY INTERESTED STUDENTS IN THE US
Best Case: 250 Schools x 50 students per graduating class x 75% = 9375
POTENTIALLY INTERESTED STUDENTS IN THE US
And this is just talking about COLLEGE SENIORS - EE's, ME's, CE's, CS's,
SE's . . . double the number if you include the Juniors.
Anywhere near this load of students would completely overload the
current AMSAT-NA volunteer base. But talk about the potentially
available volunteer base!
With Binghamton University, I had 7 Hardware Engineering slots available
on the team. There are 200 Hardware Engineers in the BU graduating class
- about 168 of the students wanted to be on the Satellite Project Team,
a 24x over-subscription. That's pretty impressive. I could have had more
teams, but we need to crawl, the walk, then run with this activity -
EVOLUTIONARY not REVOLUTIONARY (but let's just make sure evolution works
quickly . . .)
The current BU student team is "stoked", they are really excited to be
working the project. Every week I get thanked by the students for
bringing the project to their attention. They have done some really
great work and they have a great faculty advisor, Dr. Roger Westgate. I
expect that there will be more than 1 project team next year working on
an AMSAT satellite, assuming AMSAT is interested in sponsoring more.
So stop crying into your beer over ITAR. The world is not coming to an
end. Let's work to launch spacecraft within the ITAR limits.
In the meantime, let the AMSAT-NA BoD navigate it's way through the
byzantine structure of the US Govt to try to bring about change in ITAR.
Alex Harvilchuck, N3NP
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