[amsat-bb] Re: Satellites need to be open source

Samudra Haque N3RDX & S21X n3rdx at amsat.org
Sat Nov 14 07:44:20 PST 2009

resend due to origin address snafu

On Sat, Nov 14, 2009 at 10:42 AM, Samudra Haque <samudra.haque at gmail.com>wrote:

> Actually, in the eyes of ITAR administrators, I am sure the act of a
> "foreign national" asking publicly for ""sensitive"" technology matters such
> as the details of construction for satellites could raise more than a few
> eyebrows.
> If an individual wishes to come to the US and obtain publicly available
> journals/research papers that is sold by an institution such as AIAA, IEEE
> which contains basic discoveries and CANNOT results that can be utilized
> directly in building satellites, ITAR actually allows that. For information,
> read the ITAR links I have posted earlier. However, for questions that
> specifically target "How do you"... the individual may want to be careful as
> not to get to become an interesting target of inquiry by a variety of
> agencies looking for moles.
> An example from another industry: If you go to visit UK as a US national,
> all is fine, no visa required. However if you are a foreign national living
> in the US, you have to go through a biometric investigation and a complete
> biography review (dad/mom/children/job) before a visa is issued and the data
> is kept for *10 years* and shared with other governments, regardless of the
> type of visit or duration (1 day to many days). I shudder to think if an
> international person were to be identified in a public way of being
> inquisitive and interested to obtain ITAR classified documents, and boasting
> about it publicly on an open website - what would happen if they were the
> target of U.S. Gov't action ?
> http://mae.pennnet.com/display_article/366108/32/ARTCL/none/EXCON/1/ITAR-compliance:-ignorance-of-defense-export-regulations-is-no-excuse/
> Luc, specifically, your questions may be answered by Page 17 onwards of the
> following presentation:
> http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&ct=res&cd=8&ved=0CCAQFjAH&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.rensselaer.org%2Fdept%2Ffinance%2Fdocs%2Fresearch%2FExportControls.ppt&ei=As7-Sru0M4nVlQe7leXeDA&usg=AFQjCNFBnvL3w7kFLP9yEdVeYU72Qxh7Vg&sig2=xd-u2jP9cmuJy_1a4j-8WQ
> However, if you insist that you want to know something now that is still in
> the laboratory R&D process and not yet published that is not going to help
> in the setup of an ITAR compliance system at AMSAT and I would like to ask
> you not to pursue that track. You can always subscribe to academic journals
> (AIAA, IEEE) to obtain the results of published, and ITAR cleared,
> research). AMSAT journals are only collated, and are not referred rigorously
> ! Hopefully they will change to a more peer reviewed model in the future.
> Samudra N3RDX
> On Fri, Nov 13, 2009 at 1:04 PM, John B. Stephensen <kd6ozh at comcast.net>wrote:
>> Since you are in Canada you don't have to worry about U.S. laws.
>> 73,
>> John
>> over

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