[amsat-bb] FW: Re: The Moon is our Future

Dave dave at mynatt.biz
Fri Jul 3 09:46:14 PDT 2009

I do not understand and am asking for help understanding, why a long, slow,
slingshot path to the moon isn't feasible. We don't need a direct shot, do
we, unless we do this all ourselves? If we go with someone else, we ride
their mission so it doesn't matter what we want. But for total usefulness,
it starts it's mission as a LEO, transitions to an HEO, and then becomes a
lander. Three different missions, three different antenna systems, three
different opportunities to use it. What's wrong with that concept?

Nuc fuel, utilizing a tethered antenna floating above craft held in position
by magnetics or coax, but not affixed to craft so that it can be adjusted
without affecting the lander. A 4x4x4 plastic sheet for an antenna that when
expanded becomes a 20m semi-rigid antenna.

Might as well use products already here tied to dreams.

This can work albeit slowly.

DM78qd // KA0SWT
If it weren't for Philo T. Farnsworth, inventor of television, we'd still be
eating frozen radio dinners.-- Johnny Carson

-----Original Message-----
From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On
Behalf Of Jeff Davis
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2009 9:35 AM
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: The Moon is our Future

On Thu, Jul 02, 2009 at 06:48:51AM -0600, Jack K. wrote:
> communications anyway) and move forward... We can put up all the leos 
> we want, but until someone makes something like B. Bruninga's cell 
> concept work, we are only going to have more of the same, We don't 
> need more of the same!

I couldn't agree more - we don't need more of the same.

If I want to sit back and have a two hour rag-chew with someone on the other
side of the planet I will use Skype or my cell phone!

Dreaming about what *might* be in space is a fun exercise. Actually doing
something about it requires sending things to LEO because reality has
dictated that's as far as we can afford to go.

How's about we use some of that frustrated *imagineering* to come up with
interesting new concepts at LEO? We don't need any more FM repeaters buzzing
overhead, but what about more cameras downloading HD images, scientific
payloads that monitor the ongoing climate change, payloads to study the
Earth's magnetic field, etc. etc. Our own 'Twitter' messaging network from

The Apollo 13 creed of "failure is not an option" has completely infected
the brains at AMSAT and this list. You want something at HEO or on the moon,
cut a check for $15 million dollars and let's get on with it. Been waiting
since 1996 for another AO-13 and I am getting too old to keep waiting.

AMSAT is becoming completely irrelevant as it strives without success for
the impossible mission and exhibits a shocking amount of leadership
malfesance as it stubbornly refuses to recognize and adapt to realities in
the launch business.

I know, I know maybe NEXT year someone rich will die and leave us a boatload
of cash. Or the bankrupt US government will suddenly cough up a billion
dollars for some orbiting emergency communication system. In the meantime we
have to stifle the truth because it might blow yet another *secret* deal
that's in the works and *almost* a done deal, so let's not complain publicly
and ruin it.

Heard the stories, heard the lies, got all the t-shirts and ball caps.

Jeff, KE9V
AMSAT-NA member since 1994,
Skeptic that we will ever go back to HEO since 2002
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