[amsat-bb] Re: [OT] Urgent request - probably off-topic but please read...
kq6ea at pacbell.net
Fri Feb 27 10:02:18 PST 2009
Thanks for the heads-up, Nate. I agree that General Aviation and old warbirds are well worth defending. I'm a member of the CAF and donate to the Chino "Planes of Fame" museum. Once a historical aircraft, or regional airport are gone, they're gone forever.
There's an excellent DVD called "One Six Right" that has a section on what happened to Meigs Field in Chicago.
73, Jim KQ6EA
--- On Thu, 2/26/09, Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com> wrote:
> From: Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com>
> Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: [OT] Urgent request - probably off-topic but please read...
> To: "AMSAT BB" <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
> Cc: steve at airspeedonline.com
> Date: Thursday, February 26, 2009, 10:05 PM
> Folks, I am not a spammer by trade or by choice in normal
> circumstances, but I BEG of you to please read this.
> If you are even a SMALL enthusiast of Aviation, Aerospace
> or anything
> related to breaking the surly bonds of earth and reaching
> PLEASE take a moment, I beg of you.
> To my friends and members of:
> Boulder, CO Linux Users Group
> Colorado Linux Users and Enthusiasts
> Rocky Mountain VHF+ Amateur Radio Group
> Colorado D-STAR Association
> Grand Mesa Contesters of Colorado
> Amateur Radio Satellite Corporation and Mailing List
> Repeater-Builder Mailing List
> MIT PIC Microcontroller Mailing List
> Yaesu FT-857 Mailing List
> VHF Contesting Remailer Mailing List
> The Internet Radio Radio Linking Project
> The D-STAR Digital List
> And other friends and acquaintances who will receive this
> privately... and anyone you care to forward it to...
> Tonight on my way home I fired up my iPod to listen to a
> podcast by
> well-known and very well-spoken Steven "Force"
> Tupper, an aviation
> enthusiast from Michigan. What I heard chilled my heart to
> the bone.
> The TSA under the auspices of "Homeland Security"
> has floated a
> proposal to restrict and in my opinion, DESTROY numerous
> aircraft, by limiting their use so heavily that you will
> never see
> them in the skies over America again. While this may sound
> "alarmist", please trust me, it's not.
> You all know me, and know that I can write well, expressing
> concerns with politics, living, and even the banal things
> of life in
> words, fairly well -- but I can not possibly top the
> writing of Mr.
> Even more eloquent is his VOICE in his podcast, where he
> expresses the frustration, and sheer TERROR that the TSA
> itself has
> brought down on the United State's Aviation community
> with the
> proposal they've recently released, inappropriately
> entitled, the
> "Large Aircraft Security Program", or LASP.
> For the best and most intelligent commentary I've heard
> on the topic
> to date -- PLEASE ... LISTEN to his podcast at:
> You really must just hear... his voice. I do hope his
> server can
> handle an onslaught -- if it can't, wait, and listen
> (I fully intend to help him with the costs associated with
> distributing his podcast if he needs it this month,
> it's just that
> important. Steve, please let me know if you need
> assistance. I have
> worked in data centers and web-based businesses, and I
> understand that
> publishing these things online to large numbers of people,
> is NOT free.)
> It's just over 30 minutes in length, and he NEEDS YOUR
> SUPPORT -- even
> if you are NOT a pilot. He gives instructions in the
> If you honestly do NOT have time to listen, at least READ
> and RESPOND
> to his letter in response to the TSA's Notice of
> Proposed Rulemaking.
> He needs your input by TOMORROW. The entire text of his
> podcast is
> also available at the link below, if you read faster than
> you listen
> -- so to speak.
> If this non-legislative rule change comes to pass, you and
> your family
> may never SEE many historical aircraft or have an
> opportunity to
> purchase a RIDE in any classic "warbird" aircraft
> in the skies over
> America ever again. The rule is BROAD and affects modern
> also, but the aircraft we will miss the most, are the ones
> of our
> history that tell our story as a country.
> To NOT take action and RESPOND means that you've let a
> small group of
> tireless aviation historians, restoration specialists,
> pilots, and everyone who's ever watched an airshow with
> aircraft from
> the classic Warbird fleet down. WE NEED YOUR SUPPORT.
> PLEASE read or listen. Mr. Tupper explains it far better
> than I
> possibly can. The TSA's proposal adds NO security to
> our nation
> whatsoever. It's simply government run amok.
> Here's a list from Mr. Tupper's website, of
> aircraft that I personally
> believe you will RARELY see in the skies of America again,
> if the
> TSA's "LASP" passes into being without even
> so much as a single
> legislator overseeing it, and little to no due-process
> available to
> anyone who violates it.
> Aircraft and Max Takeoff Weight (Varies within Type)
> Boeing B-17 Flying Fortress - 65,500
> Chance Vought F4U Corsair - 14,449
> Consolidated B-24 Liberator - 65,000
> Curtiss C-46 Commando - 48,000
> Curtiss SB2C Helldiver - 16,800
> Douglas A-26 Invader - 35,000
> Douglas DC-3/C-47 Skytrain/Dakota - 31,000
> Douglas B-23 Dragon - 32,400
> Fairchild C-119 Flying Boxcar - 64,000
> Fairchild C-82 Packet - 54,000
> Ford Tri-Motor - 13,500
> Grumman AF-2S Guardian - 25,500
> Grumman Avenger - 17,893
> Grumman F6F Hellcat - 15,415
> Grumman F8F Bearcat - 12,947
> Grumman HU-16 Albatross - 33,000
> Grumman G-73 Mallard - 12,750
> Junkers Ju 52 - 24,200
> Lockheed C-60 Hudson - 18,500
> Lockheed L-18 Lodestar - 17,500
> Lockheed PV-2 Harpoon - 31,077
> Lockheed T-33 - 15,100
> North American B-25 Mitchell - 41,800
> North American P-82 Twin Mustang - 25,591
> PBY-6A Catalina - 64,450
> Republic P-47 Thunderbolt - 17,500
> You may not be a pilot, you may not even care about ANY
> aircraft --
> but if you care about the pilots who fly them, the
> mechanics who
> wrench on them, the crowds at hundreds of airshows across
> the country
> who see them, and the thousands of thousands who lived
> their lives
> building an American legacy in Aviation -- one of our best
> ever -- please follow Mr. Tupper's request, and add
> your name to the
> list of people who AGREE with him in his response to the
> NPRM sent out
> by the TSA.
> I, like you, am a busy person -- I had other things to do
> tonight. I
> would much have preferred an enjoyable evening pursuing
> other things.
> Hell, I would rather have just forwarded you all a few
> jokes or stayed
> "on-topic" on our favorite mailing lists, but I
> can not sit by idle
> and watch this come to pass.
> Mr. Tupper needs your support no later than mid-day
> tomorrow, please
> listen, read and RESPOND.
> Thank you for your time, and I apologize if this is FAR
> off-topic for
> some of the mailing lists you all know me from. Some
> lists, it's more
> on-topic than others. This is so aggregious, so saddening,
> frustrating, that I just HAD to share. Like Mr. Tupper --
> I'm trying
> hard to keep this message "PG Rated". VERY hard.
> I just can't think of any more caring, thoughtful
> people in all of the
> other hobbies and passions of my life to share this
> information with, and to BEG for your support of Mr.
> Tupper's letter
> in response to the TSA. Mr. Tupper also points out that
> the rule
> isn't far from encompassing other iconic aircraft, and
> says that if
> the TSA enacts this rule and LOWERS the weight limitations
> low enough
> to encompass such iconic aircraft as the North American
> "Mustang", then... as he so eloquently puts it:
> "Be very careful. You might get away with decimating
> other grand dames
> of the skies, but every redneck, suit, line worker, banker,
> lumberjack, lawyer, cop, fireman, landscaper, fast-food
> cashier, and
> child able to stand recognizes the mighty P-51 Mustang. Not
> aviation would fail to miss the other aircraft that the TSA
> would so
> cavalierly tear from the sky, but at least we have the P-51
> still guarding the 12,100-pound boundary."
> Thank you deeply from the bottom of my heart if you take
> the time to
> listen or read, and especially if you will send your full
> name as a
> U.S. Citizen to Mr. Tupper with your comments.
> Aviation is one of my deepest passions, and I can't
> imagine that even
> the most disinterested person in Aviation would let these
> great ships
> of our past be virtually banned from our skies in a single
> and misguided attempt at "security" over liberty,
> in this great country.
> Enjoy the rest of your evening in peace, please help, and
> thank you
> Nathan Duehr, nate at natetech.com
> Private Pilot, Single-Engine Land (since 1991)
> Aircraft Owners and Pilot's Association Member (since
> Amateur Radio Extra-Class Operator (WY0X - since 1991)
> Current President, Colorado Repeater Association
> Former Secretary, Colorado Council of Amateur Radio Clubs
> Former Member, USAF Auxiliary - Civil Air Patrol
> Linux, Electronics, and RF enthusiast ...
> ... Or however else you know me.
> Nate Duehr
> nate at natetech.com
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