[amsat-bb] Re: the tyranny of the military

Donald Jacob wb5eku at gmail.com
Tue Feb 24 10:36:54 PST 2009

Very well said. I support your comments 100%. I hope the person that
you replied to is able to understand your comments.


On Tue, Feb 24, 2009 at 10:22 AM, Nate Duehr <nate at natetech.com> wrote:

> It's important to maintain civility on these mailing lists, because cowards
> behind keyboards will say anything -- but part of that is to call someone
> out when they're WAY out of line.
> Bob's done thousands of volunteer hours of work on things for Amateur Radio
> that weren't even dreamed up before he attempted them, Pat.  The Amateur
> Radio community simply wouldn't have APRS if it weren't for Bob's unique
> entrepreneurial characteristics.
> You're WAY out of line with your "military" and "tyranny" comments and
> personal attacks on Bob.  That is, unless you're going to dedicate the
> time,
> resources, and intelligence that he has to the Amateur Radio community
> Are you prepared to step up and offer useful things at the rate and
> enthusiasm to the Amateur community as Bob has?  If not... "Step off."
> The space station comment is almost comical -- the Astronauts have strict
> schedules set by their CIVILIAN program managers, and then choose on their
> own what to do with the remaining time in their days.
> The fact that APRS and other Amateur technology are even on board --
> technology that can be used when the Astronauts are NOT available -- is a
> testament to Bob's ingenuity and stamina, along with many other Amateurs
> who
> worked together to make it happen.
> Do you have ANY idea how hard it is to fly gear on a manned spacecraft, to
> get it certified, and to build procedures for its safe use?  (Example: The
> Amateur station must be switched OFF during EVA activity in order to
> alleviate risks with frequency interference.  This makes the Astronauts
> BUSIER, and that makes coordination more difficult -- don't you think the
> program manager would rather just say "shut the thing down permanently" or
> have never flown the Amateur station in the first place?)
> Do you have enough interpersonal skill to work with people in those roles
> and garner the Amateur community enough resources to put something in orbit
> around the planet?  Realistically, you probably don't have to answer that
> question -- since I doubt you do.  If you do... "Step up."
> Your perception of Bob is wickedly twisted, indicating that you have some
> deep and over-reaching mistrust of quite normal hams who just happen to
> have
> military-related jobs.  You may want to get some counseling for that.  Bob
> never did anything but good for you, as far as I can see.  Meanwhile to
> soothe your strange phobia, think of Bob as a college professor instead, if
> that helps you lower your outlandish concern level.
> Attacking him in a public forum (while I'm sure he's seen it all before,
> well maybe not THIS one... and can defend himself adequately), is an insult
> to all volunteer hams who build infrastructure for other hams, everywhere.
> My personal pet-peeve are the IDIOTS who attack volunteers who do good work
> for Amateur Radio.  They're few and far between and I get seriously pissed
> off at people like you who attack them for no sane reason.  Welcome to my
> gun-sights.
> I'd rather see you learn and get over your personal problems, but if it's a
> choice between you or Bob, the community would be better off with Bob.  If
> you think my reply is harsh, it is MEANT to be.  Maybe you'll think before
> you attack the next volunteer while you whine from your recliner,
> accomplishing nothing.
> Celebrate Ability,
> Nate WY0X
> -----Original Message-----
> From: amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org [mailto:amsat-bb-bounces at amsat.org] On
> Behalf Of Thomas McGrane
> Sent: Tuesday, February 24, 2009 7:36 AM
> To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> Subject: [amsat-bb] the tyranny of the military
> Greetings from Patrick N2OEQ
> Regarding bruninga's post suggesting even more control over the
> satellite.... Bruninga and the military has too much control over the
> space program and amsat satellites.
> Look what happened to the space station, years of military devised
> packet position reporting and very little "human" contact.
> I recommend you all think for yourselves and remember, this is AMATEUR
> Regarding activity on oscar 51, its great to hear the excitment of new
> operators but very disappointing to hear so many regulars almost every
> day. Give some new people a chance.
> Bruninga reminds me of the movie title, "the world is not enough"
> Think for yourselves!
> pat
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