[amsat-bb] Re: ARRL VUCC

Roger Kolakowski rogerkola at aol.com
Mon Oct 6 17:31:46 PDT 2008

Jim noted:

"...I was disappointed by N3TL's  email posting on the AMSAT  BB today
concerning ARRL's  VUCC program as it applies to satellite operating..."

As I read it...you were disappointed with the ARRL and not N3TL's
questioning. I too worked through Gus Browning and Don Miller...

If the league has a legitimate question...as in the intersections are in a
"lake" "ocean" or side of a "shear cliff" they should request documentation
from the "DXpeditioner" for some sort of proof...

GPS would be the ultimate, but 360 degrees of pictures from a camera could
be the standard. (Next they would want recordings to make sure there aren't
any "Ghost" contacts.)

ARRL is not capable of overseeing Satellite contacts and awards...they
really don't care about satellites...

VUCC satellite should be an AMSAT function so that those who understand the
hobby can judge the hobby!


----- Original Message -----
From: "Jim Danehy" <jdanehy at cinci.rr.com>
To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
Sent: Monday, October 06, 2008 11:58 AM
Subject: [amsat-bb] ARRL VUCC

> I was disappointed by N3TL's  email posting on the AMSAT  BB today
concerning ARRL's  VUCC program as it applies to satellite operating.
> I have been an ARRL member for 55 years. I have VUCC on both 6 meters and
2 meters. I also am on the ARRL  DXCC  Honor Roll and I have the ARRL  #1
Honor Roll plaque for having worked all the DXCC countries.  I have been
around for awhile. I remember very well the Gus Browning , W4BPD  QSLs from
places that he never operated from or had permission to operate from. I also
remember problems that the league had with Don Miller, W9WNV for the same
reason in their DXCC  program.
> I recently got back on the satellites (was on in 1974 through 1976). In
about 6 weeks I have worked over 130 Grid Squares. My goal is a VUCC on the
satellites. Some of those have been Grid Expeditions. Not so certain now
that I want to continue to expand my efforts and money (SASE and outgoing
postage) only to have the league question the legitimacy of those
> Does the ARRL question the "Rovers" that take part in the ARRL   VHF
contests ? I am unaware of any of those operations from rare grids being
challenged or disallowed. Someone please correct me if I am in error on that
> I had been planning to do some grid expeditions myself. There should be
some communication and understanding by the league that is missing at this
time. It is a shame that there is inconsistency and selective application of
documentation and confirmation standards of where you were operating from.
> Disappointed but not surprised by the ARRL's   AD  HOC  rule enforcement.
> Jim W9VNE
> EM79tb   Cincinnati, Ohio
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