[amsat-bb] Re: Re grizzles
morsesat at optonline.net
Fri May 30 10:29:01 PDT 2008
Here in lies the learned experiences. I have gone to many HAMFESTS and I always take an informal poll of operator, members, those concerned, those asking questions- essentially- those that want to operate the satellites. I always come up with the same majority who want to get HEO's up to operate - to buy equipment to operate - to become interested enough to join AMSAT again and to DONATE monies to get HEO's up and running. Yes, I have used many LEO's, after a few conversations and the noise and carriers and the 10 minute pass, it looses its appeal.
I admire those, including Bob Bruninga, that give us the APRS sats and packet type sats. We are all the same- we want AMSAT to flourish with activity and gain many members to accomplish future great projects that some members haven't even thought of yet. Just today, I've had 2 conversations with those that "used to be members" about those lost days of HEO's.
I think you all get what I am saying, you too Bob, that I have had so many responsible views from would be members about what they want to have in orbit. AMSAT, can only get to the meat of our new satellites to give them an appetite to become involved.
In the meantime, our BB offers some of the best listener's for assistance and experience.
Comment to me off line so as to NOT distract our new BB members, TNX
----- Original Message -----
From: Robert Bruninga
Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 11:30 am
Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Re grizzles
To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > I learn that the most unfascinating thing
> > to the overwhelming majority is LEO satellites.
> Me thinks you skews the facts.
> If it is so "unfascinating", why is it the most popular mode?
> If it is an "overwhelming majority" that hate LEO's and that
> want Linear transponders, then why is it that the linear birds
> are so underutilized that many times it is impossible to find
> anyone on them?
> I think you confuse "Overwhelming majoirty" with loudest and
> most overbearing ad-nauseum complainers.
> Another way to look at it could be that the wall-to-wall users
> on the FM LEO's could also me considerd as a pretty loud
> "overwhelming majority" that completely refutes your claim.
> They are USING the bird and demonstrating it every day.
> Rather than complaining here with a keyboard, how about firing
> up your SSB rig, getting on the Linear birds and complain there.
> Put your mouth where your loyalty is. You would be at least
> using your favorite bird and mode and substantiating your claim,
> instead of arm chair complaining as a non user.
> Sure these linear birds are not HEO's, but they are multi-qso.
> And sure I'd like to drive a Corvette and would love for AMSAT
> to buy me one. But I don't think it is fair to complain year in
> and year out about why the few do'ers in AMSAT have not bought
> me one yet. (Though, these days, I'd rather have a Prius)...
> AMSAT is working on several initiatives to get HEO satellites.
> They know how valuable they are. Just stop bashing everyone
> else who finds it fun to work with what we have now.
> Bob, WB4APR
> > While they offer EZ sat
> > capability, a one channel unit doesn't peak the skills of a
> > conversation through staellites as on HF and VHF local
> > repeaters. HEO type birds offer a great deal more-
> > scheduling nets, and more contacts depending on the position
> > of the HEO.
> > Our members deserve information in a timely manner and this
> > BB offers that too. I beleive in "delete" buttons and I use
> > mine frequently with a grain of salt as needed.
> > The information gathered here is by far a more rewarding an
> > experience than any other distraction. Remember, our group
> > is as active as its membership.
> > See all in NJ at the BARA hamfest 5/31/08 in Westwood, NJ (&
> > 73,
> > Dee, NB2F
> > NJ AMSAT co-ordinator and promoter
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: don
> > Date: Friday, May 30, 2008 6:59 am
> > Subject: [amsat-bb] Re grizzles
> > To: amsat-bb at amsat.org
> > >
> > > I'm surprised that the trolling occurring on the BBS has
> > > such
> > > strange reactions.
> > >
> > > Surely there is a place for all space endeavors to be
> > > rationally, on this BBS (nearly said BS there!).
> > >
> > > Personally speaking I have had great help from many on this
> > > list,
> > > including some whose (political/technical) views differ from
> > >
> > > I well remember the replies that I got from A way off topic
> > > subject a
> > > few months ago that really, really helped me out.I guess
> that a
> > > lot of
> > > the help etc that is provided from a request on the BBS is
> > > seen by
> > > the majority simply because the replies are direct to the
> > > original
> > > poster, maybe we (I) should dual post, and annoy a lot of
> > > casual
> > > "skimmers" on the BBS?
> > >
> > > As to having "moderators" controlling the NA AMSAT BBS I'd
> > > to say no.
> > >
> > > Why, well I feel that a lot of (most) folk that post are
> > > to find
> > > an answer to a question or simply throw something into the
> > > and
> > > check back for an Answer or may be open their mailbox to see
> > > a reader
> > > has replied directly.
> > >
> > > I'm sure others on the BBS can relate to my experiences, and
> > > see the
> > > value in leaving the (basically self moderating) bbs as it
> > >
> > > 73,
> > > Don
> > > ZL1THO
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