[amsat-bb] Re: Antenna advice
kl7uw at acsalaska.net
Sat Jan 5 11:52:36 PST 2008
Roger what Roger said (sorry for the pun ;-)):
But if you are eventually thinking of operating MEO or HEO satellites
then progressing to high(er) gain antennas, circular polarity, az-el
tracking, auto-tracking or auto-tuning makes some sense. This is
often a financial question so if you are wanting to maximize your
satellite station for the future then it may make sense to upgrade to
a larger antenna system. OTOH if you want to keep expenses low then
use of omni antennas or a fixed-elevation small yagi with an azimuth
rotator can be quite usable for the existing Leos and ISS. For P3E
and Eagle one will need more (like AO-13/AO-40).
I worked ISS with 50w and a ARX-270 (9-dBd) vertical when ISS was
1500 km away on our southern horizon. This antenna is not optimum
for higher elevation passes of satellites, and a 2m 1/4 WL ground
plane is better, overall. I used one with a 432-MHz preamp to copy
My "AO-40 Satellite Antenna" system is still in the process of set up
on a new 10-foot tower. When done it will consist of KLM-22C,
M2-436CP42, 33-inch offset-feed dish, and 2.4 GHz
corner-reflector. 145 and 435 will have switchable CP. The B5400
az-el rotator will utilize a Unitrac-2000 for auto-tracking and I
will add auto-tuning on the FT-847. A 1268 MHz 45-element loop-yagi
will round out the satellite suite.
But I did not start out with these antennas in 1985. My station was
a CC 10T (later a 20T) and a CC 416T with a manual rotation system
(grab the mast and twist or grab the cord and pull to lift the array
- cross-boom strapped to a door hinge with cord run thru a
pulley. Elevation was established with a series of nails in the wall
of the building that the mast was mounted on (pull the cord and hook
it on lower nail for higher elevation). Station ran IC-211 (10w) and
MM432 (4w) with Commodore-64 satellite predicts (Oscar locator before
that). I worked a lot of AO-10 with that set up...oh and the station
was set up in a tent in the Alaska bush with a battery for power!
Those were the days,my friend!
73 Ed - KL7UW (back then I was K8MWA/KL7)
At 10:12 AM 1/5/2008, Roger Kolakowski wrote:
>Of course there are advantages to az/el tracking. With "spot on" TRACKING
>you will have better signal levels to work with on receive and be able to
>use less power on transmit.
>The disadvantages of az/el are that you do need ACCURATE TRACKING or you can
>possibly worsen your received signal strength from the Sats. ISS is
>especially a challenge as it is so close to the Earth's surface (~200) miles
>that it's passes can move across your visible sky really quickly.
>Your initial inquiry included a "hands off" requirement. That means tracking
>software that controls the rotors automatically. While you are at it you
>might as well adjust for doppler. Not much on 2 meters but enough, and a
>requirement on 435.
>So...your decision becomes...do you stop operating as you collect this
>gear,software and fund this transition, or do you take the next step up and
>set up an AZ rotor while you are contemplating the rest. How much time do
>you have to accomplish this setup? How much money? What type of antennas are
>you considering? Circular polarization? Antenna gain vs required accuracy?
>You have mentioned ISS several times...it can be worked with a HT and a
>rubber duck...at least on a clear pass. It has been shown many times that
>one of the best antennas for ISS is a 19" whip over a good groundplane. The
>same antenna works on 435 also.
>Your available time and money should help set your goals for your antenna
>system and reap the rewards you are satisfied with.
>Me...I'm a minimalist ;-)
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Ken Owen" <n6kth at n6kth.com>
>To: <amsat-bb at amsat.org>
>Sent: Saturday, January 05, 2008 11:20 AM
>Subject: [amsat-bb] Re: Antenna advice
> > Hi folks:
> > So, I understand those that say it's not worth "chasing the last 2
> > with an elevation rotor. Is there ANY advantage to having EL capability
> > satellite purposes? What about for working the ISS?
> > Thanks,
> > Ken, N6KTH
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